Comments on: Foley’s Page: Not a victim? http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/ Because it's going out of style. Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:41:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Sphynx http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-233 Sphynx Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:37:13 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-233 I agree completely with the non-victim sentiment. The thing I find most 'sad' about this whole story is that Foley felt a need to come up with excuses. Sad that a gay man can't be gay without blaming it on his priest and dad. If the age of the page were an illegal thing, that could be a problem, but it wasn't. Consenting adults do what consenting adults do, age of consent defines a consenting adult. So basically, this turned out to be more about being gay than anything else. I agree completely with the non-victim sentiment. The thing I find most ’sad’ about this whole story is that Foley felt a need to come up with excuses. Sad that a gay man can’t be gay without blaming it on his priest and dad. If the age of the page were an illegal thing, that could be a problem, but it wasn’t. Consenting adults do what consenting adults do, age of consent defines a consenting adult. So basically, this turned out to be more about being gay than anything else.

]]> By: gabrille http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-90 gabrille Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:33:47 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-90 "Sixteen year olds are capable of making adult decisions." Of course; there is no questioning of that. I understand that in earlier years here in America it was not strange to have sixteen year olds married and with children, or managing a business or a farm quite capably. Now it seems as if the general standards of whether or not a teenager is capable of making informed decisions and can even take responsibility for them is circumstantial and has to be proved. I for one agree with most of the points made in this blog. Adult decisions overall makes for adult responsibility. I must confess that I didn't think much of the issue when I heard it reported via radio. What repulsed me was mostly that it was reported. How could this young adult even be called a victim? If he is a victim than a lot of teen chat rooms need to be shut down. I am a teenager; the word seems to have the connotations of innocent and unsuspecting. The continual reports of the impoverished standards and convictions of most of our government officials are sickening. “Sixteen year olds are capable of making adult decisions.” Of course; there is no questioning of that. I understand that in earlier years here in America it was not strange to have sixteen year olds married and with children, or managing a business or a farm quite capably. Now it seems as if the general standards of whether or not a teenager is capable of making informed decisions and can even take responsibility for them is circumstantial and has to be proved. I for one agree with most of the points made in this blog. Adult decisions overall makes for adult responsibility.

I must confess that I didn’t think much of the issue when I heard it reported via radio. What repulsed me was mostly that it was reported. How could this young adult even be called a victim? If he is a victim than a lot of teen chat rooms need to be shut down. I am a teenager; the word seems to have the connotations of innocent and unsuspecting.
The continual reports of the impoverished standards and convictions of most of our government officials are sickening.

]]> By: Scotty http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Scotty Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:21:58 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-10 Perhaps hypocrisy and corruption in government is not newsworthy within the terms set up by our current media but that doesn't make it any less important in my mind and I'm sure there are many many other people who would feel the same way. This just tells me how much more we need to push for a different set of standards in our society. In response to "middleman": who are you telling to kill themselves? I'm not clear on your stance at all.. it seems you're defending the democrat's point of view yet you're arguing against the legitamacy of this blog, which is sort of contradictory. My suggestion: if you don't have anything productive or tactful to contribute, keep it to yourself. One thing I have found interesting in recent days is how all of a sudden the Republican agenda is centered around a bipartisan "global unity" point of view. Did anyone else see Ben Stein on the Sunday morning news urging the public to pay more attention to the dire situations in several African and Middle Eastern countries and to ignore the abundance of press given to the Foley scandal? I'm not saying what he was stating is wrong but I find it to be a stark contrast to what I have always recognized Republicans to represent. It is interesting that all of a sudden Republicans are in big trouble (not just for the Foley scandal) and they're finding all sorts of ways to gain the trust of the public. When has a Republican ever truely shown a vested interest in these countries other than for their own personal gain? I challenge anyone to cite a time (and no, fighting terrorism is not a valid example). Perhaps hypocrisy and corruption in government is not newsworthy within the terms set up by our current media but that doesn’t make it any less important in my mind and I’m sure there are many many other people who would feel the same way. This just tells me how much more we need to push for a different set of standards in our society.

In response to “middleman”: who are you telling to kill themselves? I’m not clear on your stance at all.. it seems you’re defending the democrat’s point of view yet you’re arguing against the legitamacy of this blog, which is sort of contradictory. My suggestion: if you don’t have anything productive or tactful to contribute, keep it to yourself.

One thing I have found interesting in recent days is how all of a sudden the Republican agenda is centered around a bipartisan “global unity” point of view. Did anyone else see Ben Stein on the Sunday morning news urging the public to pay more attention to the dire situations in several African and Middle Eastern countries and to ignore the abundance of press given to the Foley scandal? I’m not saying what he was stating is wrong but I find it to be a stark contrast to what I have always recognized Republicans to represent. It is interesting that all of a sudden Republicans are in big trouble (not just for the Foley scandal) and they’re finding all sorts of ways to gain the trust of the public. When has a Republican ever truely shown a vested interest in these countries other than for their own personal gain? I challenge anyone to cite a time (and no, fighting terrorism is not a valid example).

]]> By: Thomas http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Thomas Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:31:05 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-7 Well I am glad that the first post in this blog garnered some comments and I thought I should take the time to respond. In general, yes there are clearly more important things going on in the world than cyber sex between a 16 year old and a 54 year old. We live in a world of 24 hour news service so the media is often forced to sensationalize many things and so it should be no surprise that there have been stories about this in all the major newspaper for at least ten days now. Just because something is "stupid" and we have more important things to focus on does not mean that one should refrain from making commentary. If that were the case, everyday I would read the newspaper and say why are they reporting on the burglary next door when 8500 people died of AIDS today. So, take things with a grain of salt, but discuss them if you feel so inclined. As for the longer comment by Scotty, maybe the reason people have not focused as much on the hypocrisy and corruption in government is because that actually is NOT newsworthy. It's nothing new, it's not surprising and it may never go away. Til next time. Well I am glad that the first post in this blog garnered some comments and I thought I should take the time to respond. In general, yes there are clearly more important things going on in the world than cyber sex between a 16 year old and a 54 year old. We live in a world of 24 hour news service so the media is often forced to sensationalize many things and so it should be no surprise that there have been stories about this in all the major newspaper for at least ten days now. Just because something is “stupid” and we have more important things to focus on does not mean that one should refrain from making commentary. If that were the case, everyday I would read the newspaper and say why are they reporting on the burglary next door when 8500 people died of AIDS today. So, take things with a grain of salt, but discuss them if you feel so inclined.

As for the longer comment by Scotty, maybe the reason people have not focused as much on the hypocrisy and corruption in government is because that actually is NOT newsworthy. It’s nothing new, it’s not surprising and it may never go away.

Til next time.

]]> By: middleman http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-6 middleman Sat, 07 Oct 2006 22:56:59 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-6 i agree this is a retarded issue to be dealing with but if he was a democrat you would be all over it. spin it if you want. you are lying to someone, either yourself or whoever would be stupid enought to give this blog any weight as legitimate. go kill yourself, really. i agree this is a retarded issue to be dealing with but if he was a democrat you would be all over it. spin it if you want. you are lying to someone, either yourself or whoever would be stupid enought to give this blog any weight as legitimate. go kill yourself, really.

]]> By: Aidan http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Aidan Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:06:10 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-4 All I have to say is this: How dumb are we? I mean, really, who cares? Sure, the guy's a sleeze...a hypocrite...but let's move on, there are bigger things to worry about than some whore of a teenager flirting with an old guy who always insists that guys like him are animals. Who really cares? It's a problem between the teen and the man. Let them solve it, and let's move on. All I have to say is this: How dumb are we? I mean, really, who cares? Sure, the guy’s a sleeze…a hypocrite…but let’s move on, there are bigger things to worry about than some whore of a teenager flirting with an old guy who always insists that guys like him are animals.

Who really cares? It’s a problem between the teen and the man. Let them solve it, and let’s move on.

]]> By: Unruly Rubber http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Unruly Rubber Thu, 05 Oct 2006 03:47:26 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-3 All I have to say is: ' sore from waltzing ' and ' cast fetish. ' All I have to say is:

‘ sore from waltzing ‘

and

‘ cast fetish. ‘

]]> By: Scotty http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/foleys-page-was-he-a-victim/comment-page-1/#comment-2 Scotty Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:19:04 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/?p=3#comment-2 Before I state my opinion I need to say that I wholeheartedly agree with the stated point made in this blog. the law in many states and in many instances does portray 16 (and sometimes even 13,14 and 15) year olds as adults. I do believe our culture has a schizophrenic view of the multifaceted and uber complex mound of issues brought forth through the Foley scandal. Our media merely reflects this disheveled characteristic about our American culture. It is for these reasons that I think that the argument presented in this blog is necessary. With that all said, I do not think it is a crime for middle aged people to have sexual fantasies about 16 year olds. I don't even think that it would be a crime necessarily for them to act on them. I do think that hypocrisy, lies, scandals and corruption within government is abominable. I don't think the media has done enough to focus on the real issue here which is the fact that Foley has been a representation of a witch hunt against his own kind and that his party has done everything in its power to cover it up. How do we allow these types of lying, misrepresented individuals to hold so much power? And why is it so impossible to find answers to our piercing questions directed at the government? If you ask me, this is just one more small example of how the American people, and consequentially the global community, are being held hostage behind smoke screens held by the US government and all those in power. I'm not going to go on a rampage of conspiracy theories or spout off about the perils of government. I don't think the public are victims anymore than the 16 year old Page. I just think that its about time for the public to act instead of passively listen; to engage in more constructive actions instead of complacently going about our business. Revolution? Before I state my opinion I need to say that I wholeheartedly agree with the stated point made in this blog. the law in many states and in many instances does portray 16 (and sometimes even 13,14 and 15) year olds as adults. I do believe our culture has a schizophrenic view of the multifaceted and uber complex mound of issues brought forth through the Foley scandal. Our media merely reflects this disheveled characteristic about our American culture. It is for these reasons that I think that the argument presented in this blog is necessary.

With that all said, I do not think it is a crime for middle aged people to have sexual fantasies about 16 year olds. I don’t even think that it would be a crime necessarily for them to act on them. I do think that hypocrisy, lies, scandals and corruption within government is abominable. I don’t think the media has done enough to focus on the real issue here which is the fact that Foley has been a representation of a witch hunt against his own kind and that his party has done everything in its power to cover it up. How do we allow these types of lying, misrepresented individuals to hold so much power? And why is it so impossible to find answers to our piercing questions directed at the government? If you ask me, this is just one more small example of how the American people, and consequentially the global community, are being held hostage behind smoke screens held by the US government and all those in power. I’m not going to go on a rampage of conspiracy theories or spout off about the perils of government. I don’t think the public are victims anymore than the 16 year old Page. I just think that its about time for the public to act instead of passively listen; to engage in more constructive actions instead of complacently going about our business. Revolution?

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