Comments on: Homosexual exodus to New Jersey? http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/ Because it's going out of style. Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:41:30 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: Ammi http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-28863 Ammi Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:02:58 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-28863 The truth is we all (as individuals) have some sort of behavior in our lives that is not acceptable to SOMEONE out there. There are many "god loving, church going" heterosexual couples who do things in their private sexual lives that some would deem "inappropriate"-but, it is no ones business what they do in bed. And no one out there is so good they have the right to judge-NO ONE. There is a reason people like Gandhi and Mother Teresa are so revered in this world-they are rare....the rest of us are just doing our best to be good human beings and do what we think is right for us while being careful to “ do no harm”. There are some amazing people who do great things in our society who (in their private lives) may drink, or swear or litter or eat meat or maybe they even hurt people,....take your pick. We can't please everyone all the time. There will always be at least one person out there who doesn't like something we do or say or wear. This is what makes our world a beautiful mosaic of individual pieces. Some people's words and opinions may offend me, the things they say may be painful: like people talking about MY loving relationship in a way that suggests it is some monsterous thing. My home-in which I am kind and compassionate, committed to one person and want the same things as ANY human being-monsterous? How could that be? How can love be wrong? Or when people threaten to take away my right to create a child out of love, or remove my ability to be able to visit my sick partner in a hospital-or when they say that just because my partner is biologically the same as me I don’t have a right to keep our house, or our children if she passes-these things blow my mind-they sadden my heart. The truth is, in this beautiful country of ours-we have the right to express those opinions freely. So while you may want to infringe on my rights as a human, as an American-to love who I love and have the same rights-I will be the bigger person and support your right to speak your hateful messages while I continue to fight for my equality. I will continue to send you loving blessings from my sinful, lesbian family and hope that one day, you can learn to love more freely and see that we are all in this life together whether we want to admit it or not. The truth is we all (as individuals) have some sort of behavior in our lives that is not acceptable to SOMEONE out there.
There are many “god loving, church going” heterosexual couples who do things in their private sexual lives that some would deem “inappropriate”-but, it is no ones business what they do in bed. And no one out there is so good they have the right to judge-NO ONE. There is a reason people like Gandhi and Mother Teresa are so revered in this world-they are rare….the rest of us are just doing our best to be good human beings and do what we think is right for us while being careful to “ do no harm”.
There are some amazing people who do great things in our society who (in their private lives) may drink, or swear or litter or eat meat or maybe they even hurt people,….take your pick. We can’t please everyone all the time. There will always be at least one person out there who doesn’t like something we do or say or wear. This is what makes our world a beautiful mosaic of individual pieces.

Some people’s words and opinions may offend me, the things they say may be painful: like people talking about MY loving relationship in a way that suggests it is some monsterous thing. My home-in which I am kind and compassionate, committed to one person and want the same things as ANY human being-monsterous? How could that be? How can love be wrong? Or when people threaten to take away my right to create a child out of love, or remove my ability to be able to visit my sick partner in a hospital-or when they say that just because my partner is biologically the same as me I don’t have a right to keep our house, or our children if she passes-these things blow my mind-they sadden my heart. The truth is, in this beautiful country of ours-we have the right to express those opinions freely. So while you may want to infringe on my rights as a human, as an American-to love who I love and have the same rights-I will be the bigger person and support your right to speak your hateful messages while I continue to fight for my equality. I will continue to send you loving blessings from my sinful, lesbian family and hope that one day, you can learn to love more freely and see that we are all in this life together whether we want to admit it or not.

]]> By: Jamie http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-18154 Jamie Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:24:15 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-18154 Bob, why do you care what other people do? If a person wants to get married (Gay or Straight), why should anyone stop them. I don't spend my days worring about what others do. To each there own! Different strokes for different folks! You should really put that negative energy into something more productive/positive. Bob, why do you care what other people do? If a person wants to get married (Gay or Straight), why should anyone stop them. I don’t spend my days worring about what others do. To each there own! Different strokes for different folks! You should really put that negative energy into something more productive/positive.

]]> By: Scott http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-18106 Scott Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:05:59 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-18106 Fact: People like Bob are the cause and/or product of hatred, war, violence, bigotry, oppression, ignorance, fascism, zealotry, brainwashing seperatism, racism, homophobia, fear in general, closemindedness, tunnel vision, misogyny, intolerance, patriarchy, elitism... I'm sure there's more.. feel free to add on if you come up with any. Fact: People like Bob are the cause and/or product of hatred, war, violence, bigotry, oppression, ignorance, fascism, zealotry, brainwashing seperatism, racism, homophobia, fear in general, closemindedness, tunnel vision, misogyny, intolerance, patriarchy, elitism… I’m sure there’s more.. feel free to add on if you come up with any.

]]> By: Bob http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-18096 Bob Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:35:50 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-18096 Only gay in bed?!! That is the problem, what a sick image in everyones' head. Celebrities and other people in the spotlight do get married over and over again, but they don't count. These celebrities that are like that are not even "real people," so they do not count. Who looks up to any of those overpaid losers anyways? Not anyone who has half of a working brain. Gays do not deserve marriage rights or marriage. Common sense...period. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE OF OPINION...IT IS FACT....BLACK AND WHITE. It's not right, and it will never be right! FACT! There is not any other way around it. GAYS...ARE THEY BORN THAT WAY OR IS IT SOMETHING THEY PICK UP IN LIFE? Simple answer (common sense): Many chose to be gay or pick up the lifestyle based on a number of different reasons. BUT, if they are born that way, it is COMMON SENSE that the brain they were born with has some crossed wires. Only gay in bed?!! That is the problem, what a sick image in everyones’ head. Celebrities and other people in the spotlight do get married over and over again, but they don’t count. These celebrities that are like that are not even “real people,” so they do not count. Who looks up to any of those overpaid losers anyways? Not anyone who has half of a working brain. Gays do not deserve marriage rights or marriage. Common sense…period. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE OF OPINION…IT IS FACT….BLACK AND WHITE. It’s not right, and it will never be right! FACT! There is not any other way around it.
GAYS…ARE THEY BORN THAT WAY OR IS IT SOMETHING THEY PICK UP IN LIFE?
Simple answer (common sense): Many chose to be gay or pick up the lifestyle based on a number of different reasons. BUT, if they are born that way, it is COMMON SENSE that the brain they were born with has some crossed wires.

]]> By: Ammi http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-2233 Ammi Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:48:21 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-2233 A community is created out of it's need to gather together and support each other as an entity deemed "not normal" by the standards of the majorities in society. I don't think that learning to speak English makes any of the minority racial groups any less committed to their heritage. Nor does being allowed to marry outside of your race make you less committed to that race. Just as being allowed to vote and working for equal rights as women does not make us less committed to womanly causes-once we get those rights we just keep working-because we are deserving of that equality. So why, then would granting the human right of marriage make someone any less committed to their gay community? We are trying to create equality and equality will never make us less diverse. Our lives will always be deemed "different" by any societal standard-regardless of the rights we are granted. Because I may disagree with some of things that people say or do in regards to their own opinions of gay marriage it does not give me the right to infringe on their ability to express themselves as long as they are not acting violently. I simply wish the same respect in return. Who am I hurting by wanting to marry my partner? Who am I hurting by wanting to raise a family? Who am I hurting by wanting to raise children who are opened and honest and supportive of all people regardless of their differences? Some may say the "Institute of Marriage". But hasn't the "Institute of Marriage" been completely broken down and made a joke out of in the last few decades? With stars being married over and over and the divorce rate climbing to more then half now? A marriage is now easy to obtain between heterosexual couples and it is easy to toss away like last nights garbage: it seems to me that is what it has been reduced to. How would it hurt anything to add a new branch to that of committed and loving gay couples who have worked so hard to be recognized in marriage that we see it as the majority of the public used to: an important and serious bond and commitment. We see it as the ultimate expression of our love and devotion. We see it as something we have worked very hard for and will not throw away like garbage-we will cherish it and treat it with the respect that it deserves. Whether you agree with our lifestyle or not is not the question. The question is what would it really hurt? We are only gay in bed....in the rest of our lives we are normal everyday Americans who are Doctors and Lawyers and Teachers and Mothers and Fathers and Sisters and Brothers and we deserve to add HUSBANDS and WIVES to that those titles because we are no different then anyone else. A community is created out of it’s need to gather together and support each other as an entity deemed “not normal” by the standards of the majorities in society. I don’t think that learning to speak English makes any of the minority racial groups any less committed to their heritage. Nor does being allowed to marry outside of your race make you less committed to that race. Just as being allowed to vote and working for equal rights as women does not make us less committed to womanly causes-once we get those rights we just keep working-because we are deserving of that equality. So why, then would granting the human right of marriage make someone any less committed to their gay community? We are trying to create equality and equality will never make us less diverse. Our lives will always be deemed “different” by any societal standard-regardless of the rights we are granted.

Because I may disagree with some of things that people say or do in regards to their own opinions of gay marriage it does not give me the right to infringe on their ability to express themselves as long as they are not acting violently. I simply wish the same respect in return. Who am I hurting by wanting to marry my partner? Who am I hurting by wanting to raise a family? Who am I hurting by wanting to raise children who are opened and honest and supportive of all people regardless of their differences?

Some may say the “Institute of Marriage”. But hasn’t the “Institute of Marriage” been completely broken down and made a joke out of in the last few decades? With stars being married over and over and the divorce rate climbing to more then half now? A marriage is now easy to obtain between heterosexual couples and it is easy to toss away like last nights garbage: it seems to me that is what it has been reduced to. How would it hurt anything to add a new branch to that of committed and loving gay couples who have worked so hard to be recognized in marriage that we see it as the majority of the public used to: an important and serious bond and commitment. We see it as the ultimate expression of our love and devotion. We see it as something we have worked very hard for and will not throw away like garbage-we will cherish it and treat it with the respect that it deserves.

Whether you agree with our lifestyle or not is not the question. The question is what would it really hurt? We are only gay in bed….in the rest of our lives we are normal everyday Americans who are Doctors and Lawyers and Teachers and Mothers and Fathers and Sisters and Brothers and we deserve to add HUSBANDS and WIVES to that those titles because we are no different then anyone else.

]]> By: Sphynx http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-229 Sphynx Wed, 22 Nov 2006 07:38:12 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-229 Paul, your stand on gay-marriage falls into 5 words. "It just doesn't feel right". The logic that something isn't "suppose to be" is faulty in many aspects, primarily because the entirety of human existance is filled with doing things that aren't "suppose to be", like rolling plants into paper and smoking them, or decaying fruits and grains into alcohol, or milk into yoghurt and cheese. There's only 1 reason to be against gay marriage. It just doesn't feel right. Don't give me the bible mumble jumbo. Sure, Leviticus 18 declares it a major sin, right after declaring the wearing of 2 materials at the same time (cotton and wool?) a sin of equal importance. Those laws are as outdated as the bible itself, and written by barbaric-like men in an age when morality was just being discovered. I think Scott is quite right. You wish to Opprese others for the simple reason that 'it doesn't feel right'. That's just wrong. Paul, your stand on gay-marriage falls into 5 words. “It just doesn’t feel right”. The logic that something isn’t “suppose to be” is faulty in many aspects, primarily because the entirety of human existance is filled with doing things that aren’t “suppose to be”, like rolling plants into paper and smoking them, or decaying fruits and grains into alcohol, or milk into yoghurt and cheese.

There’s only 1 reason to be against gay marriage. It just doesn’t feel right. Don’t give me the bible mumble jumbo. Sure, Leviticus 18 declares it a major sin, right after declaring the wearing of 2 materials at the same time (cotton and wool?) a sin of equal importance. Those laws are as outdated as the bible itself, and written by barbaric-like men in an age when morality was just being discovered.

I think Scott is quite right. You wish to Opprese others for the simple reason that ‘it doesn’t feel right’. That’s just wrong.

]]> By: Scott http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-227 Scott Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:04:59 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-227 Paul, your words: "I have had plenty of exposure and am not cynical towards or prejudice towards homosexuals.. " "I do think that homosexuality is a sin, and a choice that does effect the world we live in in a bad way." Contradiction. You have every right to believe what you want to believe. But the instant you act on that belief in a way that enforces your belief against another individual (ie. voting against gay rights), when that belief goes against what your adversary believes, you are stepping away from mere opinion or belief and into oppression. Period. I have not turned your words around in any way. I read them and respond. If you think they are being taken out of context or misunderstood you need to reanalyze the way you communicate because your words are pure. There is no misreading a word. There is no body language to misinterpret. I am completely open to hearing how what I say does not make sense to you or how it is "double speak". And why have you not answered all of my questions? I am also very interested in hearing how you think homosexual behavior effects the world in a bad way. Paul, your words:

“I have had plenty of exposure and am not cynical towards or prejudice towards homosexuals.. ”
“I do think that homosexuality is a sin, and a choice that does effect the world we live in in a bad way.”

Contradiction.

You have every right to believe what you want to believe. But the instant you act on that belief in a way that enforces your belief against another individual (ie. voting against gay rights), when that belief goes against what your adversary believes, you are stepping away from mere opinion or belief and into oppression.

Period.

I have not turned your words around in any way. I read them and respond. If you think they are being taken out of context or misunderstood you need to reanalyze the way you communicate because your words are pure. There is no misreading a word. There is no body language to misinterpret.

I am completely open to hearing how what I say does not make sense to you or how it is “double speak”.

And why have you not answered all of my questions?

I am also very interested in hearing how you think homosexual behavior effects the world in a bad way.

]]> By: Paul http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-223 Paul Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:36:01 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-223 Not everyone who is in love, gets married. There are even people who live their entire lives together without getting married. Marriage is a concept that has been around longer than all of the debates that fill the media airwaves. I just don't see a purpose in it. To me, marriage was intended to be between a man and a woman. I do feel that a homosexual couple doesn't fulfill what marriage was intended for: an institution, a structured environment, of love and trust between a man and a woman for them and their children as an example. It wasn't intended for homosexuals. Whether it is or not, is for all citizens to decide. In addition, this has nothing to do with slavery. Marriage is an institution granted and slavery is an institution forced. Completely separate and ridiculously incomparable issues. I will answer this one question of yours, Scott. Marriage was intended for two specific people of two specific genders. Heaven, as stated in the Bible, is intended for anyone and everyone who will believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of their sins. They are also incomparable. I have had plenty of exposure and am not cynical towards or prejudice towards homosexuals nor do I hate any of them. I believe in Heaven and I would hope to see every one of them in Heaven, and a decision of sexuality won't get them to Heaven, nor keep them from it. I do think that homosexuality is a sin, and a choice that does effect the world we live in in a bad way. I think lying is a sin, and stealing is a sin. I think they are all morally and ethically wrong things to do. I am not perfect and neither are they and this all has nothing to do with what I think of homosexuals and homosexuality. The hole in your line of thinking is that you don't understand the whole issue. It's about marriage, not homosexuality. Most of the people who disagree with gay marriage simply think that it is an oxymoron. Marriage means something that a man and a woman enters into. It's just what I think it means. I have right to think it. I have to say it. I have a right to vote my thoughts into law. Just like you. If I minded my own business about marriage that would simply mean that I had nothing to say. But I do. As for everything else you said, it was all double speak. You tried to turn my words on me, but it didn't make any sense. Not everyone who is in love, gets married. There are even people who live their entire lives together without getting married. Marriage is a concept that has been around longer than all of the debates that fill the media airwaves. I just don’t see a purpose in it. To me, marriage was intended to be between a man and a woman. I do feel that a homosexual couple doesn’t fulfill what marriage was intended for: an institution, a structured environment, of love and trust between a man and a woman for them and their children as an example. It wasn’t intended for homosexuals. Whether it is or not, is for all citizens to decide. In addition, this has nothing to do with slavery. Marriage is an institution granted and slavery is an institution forced. Completely separate and ridiculously incomparable issues.
I will answer this one question of yours, Scott. Marriage was intended for two specific people of two specific genders. Heaven, as stated in the Bible, is intended for anyone and everyone who will believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of their sins. They are also incomparable. I have had plenty of exposure and am not cynical towards or prejudice towards homosexuals nor do I hate any of them. I believe in Heaven and I would hope to see every one of them in Heaven, and a decision of sexuality won’t get them to Heaven, nor keep them from it. I do think that homosexuality is a sin, and a choice that does effect the world we live in in a bad way. I think lying is a sin, and stealing is a sin. I think they are all morally and ethically wrong things to do. I am not perfect and neither are they and this all has nothing to do with what I think of homosexuals and homosexuality. The hole in your line of thinking is that you don’t understand the whole issue. It’s about marriage, not homosexuality. Most of the people who disagree with gay marriage simply think that it is an oxymoron. Marriage means something that a man and a woman enters into. It’s just what I think it means. I have right to think it. I have to say it. I have a right to vote my thoughts into law. Just like you. If I minded my own business about marriage that would simply mean that I had nothing to say. But I do. As for everything else you said, it was all double speak. You tried to turn my words on me, but it didn’t make any sense.

]]> By: Sphynx http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-219 Sphynx Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:14:19 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-219 What's the point? What purpose is served by providing marriage to gay couples? Those are the questions that cause an erroneous train of thought. Logically, there's not alot of point to heterosexuals getting married. It's not about logic. The hard thing for any non-homosexual to understand is that it's about love. Most gay-marriage proponents are not caring about the legal ramifications or bonuses from getting married. Once you simply allow marriage, they're quite happy to be able to share a name or qualify for things 'married' couples more easily qualify for, like adoption. When you take the time to realize the reasons a heterosexual couple want to get married, and apply those to a homosexual couple, you begin to realize the 'purpose' of a gay-marriage desire. The question then becomes... what right does any 'majority' have to stop that? There's 1 reason and 1 reason only to be against gay marriage, that's because you just don't like the idea. I don't like the idea of the smell of fish, but as long as that act ofeating and cooking fish doesn't interfere with me, what right would I have to prohibit it? People need to get over their 'feelings' on other people's activities, quit trying to allocate a purely logical purpose behind those activities, and just accept people for who they are and who they want to be. What’s the point? What purpose is served by providing marriage to gay couples? Those are the questions that cause an erroneous train of thought. Logically, there’s not alot of point to heterosexuals getting married. It’s not about logic. The hard thing for any non-homosexual to understand is that it’s about love. Most gay-marriage proponents are not caring about the legal ramifications or bonuses from getting married. Once you simply allow marriage, they’re quite happy to be able to share a name or qualify for things ‘married’ couples more easily qualify for, like adoption.

When you take the time to realize the reasons a heterosexual couple want to get married, and apply those to a homosexual couple, you begin to realize the ‘purpose’ of a gay-marriage desire.

The question then becomes… what right does any ‘majority’ have to stop that? There’s 1 reason and 1 reason only to be against gay marriage, that’s because you just don’t like the idea. I don’t like the idea of the smell of fish, but as long as that act ofeating and cooking fish doesn’t interfere with me, what right would I have to prohibit it? People need to get over their ‘feelings’ on other people’s activities, quit trying to allocate a purely logical purpose behind those activities, and just accept people for who they are and who they want to be.

]]> By: Scott http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Scott Sun, 19 Nov 2006 22:40:05 +0000 http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/10/homosexual-exodus-to-new-jersey/#comment-208 I just thought of another question for Paul: What are your thoughts about the concept of persecution? And if that seems a bit too strong of a sentiment, how about oppression? You acknowledged that Christians are the majority or, that at least the majority of people are against gay marriage. Doesn't this hint toward oppression of homosexuals? If the majority have power and are inhibiting supposed rights of a particular group, doesn't this imply oppression? (especially considering I haven't really seen any evidence that allowing such rights to take hold would hinder the rights of others.) How does this compute in your mind when compared to the persecution of any group throughout history, including Christians? Again, a hole in your logic. I just thought of another question for Paul:

What are your thoughts about the concept of persecution? And if that seems a bit too strong of a sentiment, how about oppression? You acknowledged that Christians are the majority or, that at least the majority of people are against gay marriage. Doesn’t this hint toward oppression of homosexuals? If the majority have power and are inhibiting supposed rights of a particular group, doesn’t this imply oppression? (especially considering I haven’t really seen any evidence that allowing such rights to take hold would hinder the rights of others.) How does this compute in your mind when compared to the persecution of any group throughout history, including Christians? Again, a hole in your logic.

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