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		<title>By: Tina</title>
		<link>http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/11/is-having-hiv-a-crime/comment-page-2/#comment-15304</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could strike up another debate with you but this topic is rather tiresome. I have really enjoyed your comments and would not mind hearing more. Your point of view on “hot topics” may not the majority but it valuable none the less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could strike up another debate with you but this topic is rather tiresome. I have really enjoyed your comments and would not mind hearing more. Your point of view on “hot topics” may not the majority but it valuable none the less.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you were attempting to get me to do but as you&#039;ve concluded, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re ever going to change one another&#039;s minds.  &quot;exceptions to the rules&quot; is an interesting choice of words in this instance considering I&#039;ve been sort of pushing for an abolishment to &quot;the rules&quot; whereas many others have been in support of hardening down on them.

I am adamantly against punitive measures for most crimes.  I believe in rehabilitation over punishment, education over propaganda.  Unfortunately I&#039;m a minority in this belief.  

I appreciate you seeing my way with words.. I know I can be tricky in my arguments.  I&#039;ve been told that I&#039;m unusual with the way that I define words.  Semantics interests me.  I see many parallels in the ways that we restrict ourselves with the use of language and the ways that we can&#039;t seem to find more creative solutions away from archaic traditions such as the judicial system.  Anyway, thanks to you as well for being a tactful engager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you were attempting to get me to do but as you&#8217;ve concluded, I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re ever going to change one another&#8217;s minds.  &#8220;exceptions to the rules&#8221; is an interesting choice of words in this instance considering I&#8217;ve been sort of pushing for an abolishment to &#8220;the rules&#8221; whereas many others have been in support of hardening down on them.</p>
<p>I am adamantly against punitive measures for most crimes.  I believe in rehabilitation over punishment, education over propaganda.  Unfortunately I&#8217;m a minority in this belief.  </p>
<p>I appreciate you seeing my way with words.. I know I can be tricky in my arguments.  I&#8217;ve been told that I&#8217;m unusual with the way that I define words.  Semantics interests me.  I see many parallels in the ways that we restrict ourselves with the use of language and the ways that we can&#8217;t seem to find more creative solutions away from archaic traditions such as the judicial system.  Anyway, thanks to you as well for being a tactful engager.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I ever wanted was for you to admit that there are exceptions to the rules. You have a way with words that never lets up. I appreciate everything that you say and know that we will never change each others minds. Thanks for keeping it interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I ever wanted was for you to admit that there are exceptions to the rules. You have a way with words that never lets up. I appreciate everything that you say and know that we will never change each others minds. Thanks for keeping it interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/11/is-having-hiv-a-crime/comment-page-2/#comment-15007</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been a while since I&#039;ve interacted with this blog but it is just as relevant to me now as it was back in March, possibly more so.  

Reading back over the last few entries that I didn&#039;t respond to, specifically from Tina, Solo and Stephanie, in the context of SUSAN O.&#039;s entry, I&#039;m feeling obligated to take it on again.

Our argument about personal responsibility vs. laws regulating behaviors was incomplete, I feel.  One overall point that I failed to make clearly is that we have not gotten to a point, socially or scientifically where  we can, without a shadow of a doubt, prove that someone knowingly infected another person with a disease.  Unless we&#039;re talking about someone using needles to stab people or rape, I don&#039;t see how anyone can justify a systemic process by which we criminalize people for exchanging bodily fluids or as Tina seems to be hinting toward, promiscuity.  

I can&#039;t give a lesson on oppression here and so won&#039;t be able to make up for the ignorance of anyone reading this blog, but sexual promiscuity, while very likely being immoral in many peoples beliefs, is not a crime, nor should it be a crime in a &quot;free&quot; society.  We supposedly live in that &quot;free&quot; society which means EVERYone (with the exception of some convicted criminals and, as I mentioned before, rape victims) has the opportunity to free will.  This means that BOTH parties involved in ANY relationship or &quot;intimate&quot; exchange have the ability and &quot;freedom&quot; to choose whether or not they want to be there.

Now in the case of SUSAN O.,  I will envelope my opinion by saying that I do feel for you and I think it&#039;s really shitty that you have to experience what you are experiencing.  I think that based on the information you gave here, your husband is an ass and deserves what he gets... But, you did choose to marry him.  You also chose to stay in the marriage.  I may be making some grand, insensitive assumptions here and maybe I&#039;m an ass by thinking there were probably some indications that your husband wasn&#039;t trust worthy.  Maybe on the surface he was a complete saint, an expert at deception.  If that is the case, I think it is the exception to the rule and I think you should sue him and I hope you get an shit-load of money.  But I don&#039;t think that makes him a criminal, just a lying piece of shit that should lose his reputation, his money and his worth.  But the system isn&#039;t in place for that.  The community may be.  Which is why we have free will.  We have the opportunity to live in a community that honors this sort of moral obligation.  And if we don&#039;t honor that sense of morality, we live somewhere else.  Unfortunately, I&#039;m making this seem all so simple and clean when the reality is, it&#039;s not.  We all deal with tragedy and strife in some way, at some point in our lives.  Some, more than others.  But the bottom line is, it&#039;s part of life.  If we didn&#039;t have it, what would we contrast with the good?  Can it all be good, all the time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I&#8217;ve interacted with this blog but it is just as relevant to me now as it was back in March, possibly more so.  </p>
<p>Reading back over the last few entries that I didn&#8217;t respond to, specifically from Tina, Solo and Stephanie, in the context of SUSAN O.&#8217;s entry, I&#8217;m feeling obligated to take it on again.</p>
<p>Our argument about personal responsibility vs. laws regulating behaviors was incomplete, I feel.  One overall point that I failed to make clearly is that we have not gotten to a point, socially or scientifically where  we can, without a shadow of a doubt, prove that someone knowingly infected another person with a disease.  Unless we&#8217;re talking about someone using needles to stab people or rape, I don&#8217;t see how anyone can justify a systemic process by which we criminalize people for exchanging bodily fluids or as Tina seems to be hinting toward, promiscuity.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t give a lesson on oppression here and so won&#8217;t be able to make up for the ignorance of anyone reading this blog, but sexual promiscuity, while very likely being immoral in many peoples beliefs, is not a crime, nor should it be a crime in a &#8220;free&#8221; society.  We supposedly live in that &#8220;free&#8221; society which means EVERYone (with the exception of some convicted criminals and, as I mentioned before, rape victims) has the opportunity to free will.  This means that BOTH parties involved in ANY relationship or &#8220;intimate&#8221; exchange have the ability and &#8220;freedom&#8221; to choose whether or not they want to be there.</p>
<p>Now in the case of SUSAN O.,  I will envelope my opinion by saying that I do feel for you and I think it&#8217;s really shitty that you have to experience what you are experiencing.  I think that based on the information you gave here, your husband is an ass and deserves what he gets&#8230; But, you did choose to marry him.  You also chose to stay in the marriage.  I may be making some grand, insensitive assumptions here and maybe I&#8217;m an ass by thinking there were probably some indications that your husband wasn&#8217;t trust worthy.  Maybe on the surface he was a complete saint, an expert at deception.  If that is the case, I think it is the exception to the rule and I think you should sue him and I hope you get an shit-load of money.  But I don&#8217;t think that makes him a criminal, just a lying piece of shit that should lose his reputation, his money and his worth.  But the system isn&#8217;t in place for that.  The community may be.  Which is why we have free will.  We have the opportunity to live in a community that honors this sort of moral obligation.  And if we don&#8217;t honor that sense of morality, we live somewhere else.  Unfortunately, I&#8217;m making this seem all so simple and clean when the reality is, it&#8217;s not.  We all deal with tragedy and strife in some way, at some point in our lives.  Some, more than others.  But the bottom line is, it&#8217;s part of life.  If we didn&#8217;t have it, what would we contrast with the good?  Can it all be good, all the time?</p>
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		<title>By: SUSAN  O.</title>
		<link>http://think.dumblaws.com/2006/11/is-having-hiv-a-crime/comment-page-2/#comment-15002</link>
		<dc:creator>SUSAN  O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During 13 yrs of marriage my husband gave me  STD (HERPES).  Is there any legal liability on his part, because of this we are in the process of a divorce. What should I discuss with my attorney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During 13 yrs of marriage my husband gave me  STD (HERPES).  Is there any legal liability on his part, because of this we are in the process of a divorce. What should I discuss with my attorney.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the people involved in this case. On more than one occasion, Mr. Richardson propositioned me even when  I asked him to stop, and made it MY fault when I told him he made me uncomfortable.

I agree that the women involved should take responsibility for their actions; after all, it takes two to tango.  However, Mr. Richardson is very smooth and highly persuasive, not to mention extremely intelligent. He knew what he was doing and he did it deliberately.  People like that should be punished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the people involved in this case. On more than one occasion, Mr. Richardson propositioned me even when  I asked him to stop, and made it MY fault when I told him he made me uncomfortable.</p>
<p>I agree that the women involved should take responsibility for their actions; after all, it takes two to tango.  However, Mr. Richardson is very smooth and highly persuasive, not to mention extremely intelligent. He knew what he was doing and he did it deliberately.  People like that should be punished.</p>
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		<title>By: solo</title>
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		<dc:creator>solo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ford motor company knowingly released a vehice which would explode without any warning nor apparent cause and kill the occupant in 10 percent of cars over a 5 year period we would be up in arms about it, I have no doubt that there would be criminal neglance suits lawsuits. 

This may seem irrevelent given the topic at hand,  But really, how is it much different, an entity wants something (profit vs pleasure) 
that entity has something to hide (the explosions vs AIDS)
and someone dies as a result</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ford motor company knowingly released a vehice which would explode without any warning nor apparent cause and kill the occupant in 10 percent of cars over a 5 year period we would be up in arms about it, I have no doubt that there would be criminal neglance suits lawsuits. </p>
<p>This may seem irrevelent given the topic at hand,  But really, how is it much different, an entity wants something (profit vs pleasure)<br />
that entity has something to hide (the explosions vs AIDS)<br />
and someone dies as a result</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richardson was sent to jail because he chose to be irresponsible. I know that you are not argueing against people taking responsibility for their own actions. What I am advocating for is a system that would punish the person or persons who choose to not to take responsibility for a disease they know they have, and a disease they know is harmful. I fail to see how you can compare sexual promiscuity to Americans &quot;viewing&quot; Native Americans as savages. Having sexual intercourse is a totally diffent story. Sure the Americans viewed and still view other races as inferior but having sex with them and giving them HIV/AIDS purposfully  is not the same. Please tell me you see the difference in punishing those who have been deceitful. Of course we would not punish a person who was forth coming and told their partners. If their partners were informed and they chose to continue with the risky relationship that included an intimate one, this is the informed risk that they are willing to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richardson was sent to jail because he chose to be irresponsible. I know that you are not argueing against people taking responsibility for their own actions. What I am advocating for is a system that would punish the person or persons who choose to not to take responsibility for a disease they know they have, and a disease they know is harmful. I fail to see how you can compare sexual promiscuity to Americans &#8220;viewing&#8221; Native Americans as savages. Having sexual intercourse is a totally diffent story. Sure the Americans viewed and still view other races as inferior but having sex with them and giving them HIV/AIDS purposfully  is not the same. Please tell me you see the difference in punishing those who have been deceitful. Of course we would not punish a person who was forth coming and told their partners. If their partners were informed and they chose to continue with the risky relationship that included an intimate one, this is the informed risk that they are willing to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not arguing against people taking responsiblity for their own actions but what you and most of the people responding to this blog are advocating for, is not that.  You and others are advocating for a systematic policing of sexual promiscuity which in my mind is no different than the nazis thinking their way was the pure way or American settlers viewing Native Americans as savages or whites throughout history viewing any other race as inferior or diseased.  It is the same warped rationale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not arguing against people taking responsiblity for their own actions but what you and most of the people responding to this blog are advocating for, is not that.  You and others are advocating for a systematic policing of sexual promiscuity which in my mind is no different than the nazis thinking their way was the pure way or American settlers viewing Native Americans as savages or whites throughout history viewing any other race as inferior or diseased.  It is the same warped rationale.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t know of any past history involving sending people to jail for this matter&quot; meaning AIDS/HIV. What Hitler did to the Jews was genocide, he wanted a pure race. Native Americans were not put in Jail because of a disease, the United States displaced them because they could not enslave them and we wanted the land. Slaves were brought over to the US to cultivate our land and to make our country rich without having to do the work ourselves. How were all these groups criminalized by disease? We criminalize people who don&#039;t drink safely, why is it any different than sex? I don&#039;t see it as a hands off approach. You are responsible for your own actions, if we choose not to take responsibility then we are the ones who suffer the repercussions of our own poor decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t know of any past history involving sending people to jail for this matter&#8221; meaning AIDS/HIV. What Hitler did to the Jews was genocide, he wanted a pure race. Native Americans were not put in Jail because of a disease, the United States displaced them because they could not enslave them and we wanted the land. Slaves were brought over to the US to cultivate our land and to make our country rich without having to do the work ourselves. How were all these groups criminalized by disease? We criminalize people who don&#8217;t drink safely, why is it any different than sex? I don&#8217;t see it as a hands off approach. You are responsible for your own actions, if we choose not to take responsibility then we are the ones who suffer the repercussions of our own poor decisions.</p>
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